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Wendy Parker's avatar

I wasn't expecting a revelation today, and boy was I wrong. The hate is getting to me. I'm having a very hard time viewing anyone who still supports this regime as human. (As evidenced in my daily piece today.) I like to say, "Haha - it's satire," but it's not all haha. I despise these fools and don't like the 'me' they bring forth, if I'm totally honest. I have sweet little dreams of horrible things happening to them and I dig it. I really do. It's not healthy. I'm not promising anything but I will honor the truths here with my own self reflection.

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Virgin Monk Boy's avatar

The article that inspired this topic has a picture of the Bidens where Joe is much larger than his wife, claiming him to be a Giant.

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David G's avatar

Obviously a camera action that wasn't meant to be proof of anything.

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David G's avatar

Obviously a camera action and wasn't meant to be proof of anything.

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Michael's avatar

Same here. Recently I've been contemplating about what Nitchze said about monster hunting and staring into the abyss. Deep Peace to you.

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Wendy Parker's avatar

Oooh. I need to revisit that. Thank you. Back to you. ❤️

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The Wise Wolf's avatar

This entire article is feelings and flowery language with zero Scripture, zero evidence, and zero engagement with actual research. Let me address your "arguments":

"Most theologians see it as mythic symbolism"

Which theologians? You don't name one. Meanwhile:

Justin Martyr (2nd Apology, 5) discusses angels literally breeding with women. Tertullian (On the Apparel of Women, 1.2) describes angels who "contaminated" women they took as wives. Irenaeus (Against Heresies, 4.16) references angels who "went after strange flesh." These aren't allegorical readings. These are literal interpretations from Church Fathers.

You claim it's "mythic symbolism" but Genesis 6:4 says "and also AFTER that." After the flood. Then Numbers 13:33 records Nephilim in Canaan, post-flood. 2 Samuel 21:20 describes a giant with six fingers and six toes. Deuteronomy 3:11 gives Og's bed measurements: 13 feet long. Those are physical descriptions, not metaphors.

"19th-century newspaper reports were hoaxes"

You dismiss 1,500+ newspaper articles spanning 1840-1920 as "misidentified animal bones" without examining a single one. The Smithsonian has been directly asked about these skeletons and refuses to produce them. You call that "correction." Others call it evidence removal. You don't address WHY the skeletons disappeared if they were just misidentified.

"Evil does not require supernatural DNA"

Ephesians 6:12: "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

Paul explicitly states the battle ISN'T just flesh and blood. It's spiritual powers. Examining how those powers might operate through bloodlines doesn't shift responsibility. Both human corruption AND spiritual warfare can exist simultaneously.

"The real mark of the beast is belief that empathy is optional"

Revelation 13:16-17 describes a literal mark on the right hand or forehead required for buying and selling. You're redefining biblical prophecy as a metaphor for "lack of empathy" because the actual text doesn't fit your worldview.

Your Entire Strategy:

You wrote an entire article about Nephilim theory without:

Citing a single Bible verse

Addressing genealogical records in Burke's Peerage

Explaining RH-negative blood incompatibility with human pregnancy

Explaining 1,000-ton stones at Baalbek

Explaining Göbekli Tepe built 11,500 years ago

Addressing Dr. Michael Heiser's PhD research

Addressing Gary Wayne's 600+ page work with 1,200 footnotes

Responding to ANY specific archaeological or genetic evidence

Instead you wrote vague spiritual platitudes about "empathy" and "laughing at ourselves." That's not rebuttal. That's dismissal without engagement.

You claim to be a "living saint" but won't answer if you practice witchcraft. You cherry-pick which Scripture is "real" based on your personal authority. You write an article attacking biblical research without using any biblical citations. And you position yourself as spiritually superior while calling others fearful and delusional.

Proverbs 26:4-5: "Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you be like him yourself. Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own eyes."

You've written poetry about empathy. Others have cited Genesis, Revelation, genealogical records, and archaeological evidence. Readers will notice the difference.

Truth doesn't need flowery language. It just needs facts. Try using some.

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Virgin Monk Boy's avatar

Wolf, you’ve brought up a list of verses, patristic quotes, and unsolved mysteries to argue that the Nephilim bloodline literally continues. The problem isn’t that I cited nothing; it’s that your citations don’t prove what you think they do.

1. Church Fathers:

Yes, Justin Martyr, Tertullian, and Irenaeus took the “sons of God” literally. They were reading through the lens of Second Temple mythology, before astronomy or genetics existed. Their goal was moral explanation, not biological record keeping. Later Fathers like Origen, Augustine, and Chrysostom explicitly rejected the physical breeding view. The symbolic reading isn’t new. It’s the mainstream line that became Orthodoxy.

2. “After that” in Genesis 6:4:

The text says Nephilim existed before and after, but it doesn’t say the same bloodline survived the Flood. The language marks continuity of violence and corruption, not DNA. Numbers and Samuel use “Nephilim” as a descriptive label, the way we might call someone a titan.

3. Giants, bones, and the Smithsonian:

Every physical claim of giant skeletons has collapsed under scrutiny. Newspaper hoaxes were rampant in the 19th century, and no verifiable specimen has ever surfaced in a peer reviewed context. The Smithsonian doesn’t hide bones; it catalogs what it receives. Extraordinary claims still need extraordinary evidence, not missing boxes.

4. Baalbek, Göbekli Tepe, RH negative blood:

Archaeologists explain those sites by engineering and social organization, not hybrid beings. RH negative blood is a simple mutation common in isolated populations. None of these prove angelic DNA.

5. Scripture about powers and marks:

Ephesians 6:12 describes spiritual struggle, not mixed genetics. Revelation’s mark functions as apocalyptic symbolism for allegiance and economy, consistent with other visions in the same text. Literalizing apocalyptic imagery has been a reliable way to miss its point since the first century.

And that bit about witchcraft and sainthood? That’s where your argument leaves theology and drifts into tabloid territory. Virgin Monk Boy being called a “patron saint” is satire, not self-beatification. The whole point is to lampoon the spiritual grandstanding that confuses theater for holiness. If you can’t tell the difference, it says more about your reading comprehension than my religion.

So yes, I write about empathy because it’s the theological heart of the matter. Evil that forgets empathy becomes monstrous. That’s the lesson Genesis was teaching long before the word Nephilim became clickbait.

Blessed be the ones who study both the text and the context. They’re the only ones who ever find more than fear hiding in scripture.

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The Wise Wolf's avatar

First, the ChatGPT formatting is showing. Numbered bullet points, "the problem isn't X, it's Y" opening, condescending "blessed be" closing. If you're going to use AI to write your responses, at least edit it so it's not obvious.

Church Fathers:

You admit Justin, Tertullian, and Irenaeus took it literally, then dismiss them as "before astronomy or genetics existed" as if scientific advancement invalidates eyewitness theology. These men were closer to the apostolic tradition than Augustine by centuries. You're choosing later theological interpretation over earlier sources, then claiming YOUR choice is "mainstream Orthodoxy." That's selective tradition, not objective truth.

And you still haven't cited a single Scripture verse to counter Genesis 6:4, Numbers 13:33, Deuteronomy 3:11, or 2 Samuel 21:20. You just assert "the language marks continuity of violence, not DNA." Based on what? Your interpretation? Where's the textual analysis? Where's the Hebrew scholarship?

"After that" in Genesis 6:4:

"The text says Nephilim existed before and after, but doesn't say the same bloodline survived."

It says "and also AFTER that, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men." That's present tense breeding activity described as continuing post-flood. Then Numbers 13:33 identifies specific giants as Nephilim descendants. You're claiming it's just "descriptive label" without linguistic evidence.

Giant skeletons:

"Every physical claim has collapsed under scrutiny."

Cite which ones. Name the newspapers. Show the debunking. You're making blanket dismissals without addressing specific claims. There are 1,500+ newspaper articles. You've examined zero and declared all hoaxes.

Baalbek, Göbekli Tepe, RH-negative:

"Archaeologists explain those sites by engineering and social organization."

Which archaeologists? What engineering methods could move 1,000-ton stones in prehistory? You're citing unnamed authorities making unexplained claims. And RH-negative causing mothers' immune systems to attack their own babies is "simple mutation"? It's a biological incompatibility within the human species. That's not simple. That's anomalous.

Ephesians 6:12:

"Describes spiritual struggle, not mixed genetics."

The verse says we DON'T wrestle against flesh and blood, but against POWERS and RULERS. Examining how those powers operate through bloodlines isn't negating spiritual warfare. It's examining one mechanism of it. You're creating a false dichotomy.

Witchcraft question:

You dodged it again. "Virgin Monk Boy is satire" doesn't answer whether you practice witchcraft. You claim to be Christian but cherry-pick Scripture, reject Church Father interpretations when inconvenient, and won't directly answer a yes/no question.

"Study both text and context":

You've provided zero textual analysis. Zero Hebrew or Greek scholarship. Zero engagement with specific archaeological claims. Zero Scripture citations. Just vague appeals to "mainstream theology" and unnamed "archaeologists" while dismissing documented evidence as "clickbait."

You write about empathy as if it replaces investigation. As if being kind means not examining genealogical records, archaeological anomalies, or scriptural warnings. That's not theology. That's emotional deflection.

And using ChatGPT to write your responses while lecturing others about "reading comprehension"? That's rich.

Try actually engaging with the evidence instead of generating numbered rebuttals that say nothing.

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Virgin Monk Boy's avatar

Wolf. Sit.

You keep yelling about evidence, but everything you’re calling “evidence” is just repetition inside your own circle. Let’s go through what you actually said, slowly, like we’re lighting candles in a room that smells like gasoline.

First. “You’re using AI.” Cute. You’re the one pasting 6,000-word fear sermons about secret bloodlines, shape-shifters, and sleeper hybrids running the White House. Then you accuse me of being too polished.

Yet I run your sermon through AI detectors and it fails while mine passes. Now that’s rich, almost as rich as your witchcraft accusations. You can’t tell the difference between spiritual discernment and digital paranoia. Maybe the next revelation will come when you finally clear your browser history of conspiracy clickbait.

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The Wise Wolf's avatar

Dogs sit. Wolves rip your fucking throat out.

You haven't addressed a single thing. Not one piece of actual evidence. Just condescending garbage about me accusing you of being 'too polished'. Ha! I read a few of your articles. You are just saying 'Hey ChatGPT write me some obnoxious, feel good drivel for idiots'. That isn't polish. That is intellectual laziness.

You say you ran stuff through AI detectors? Great. Link it. Show the results. Or did you just make that up to sound credible? We both know the answer to that question.

And here's the big one: Do you practice witchcraft? Yes or no?

That's FOUR times you've been asked. Four times you've dodged. A guy who calls himself a "living saint" on Twitter should have zero problem answering that. One word. Yes or no. But you won't say it. Why? Because the answer is yes and you know exactly how that looks.

You mock research into fallen angels and Nephilim bloodlines as "paranoia" while positioning yourself as some spiritual authority. You ignore Scripture. You twist Church Fathers. You write flowery nonsense about empathy instead of engaging with genealogical records, archaeological evidence, or biblical text.

What are you protecting? Who are you running interference for?

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Virgin Monk Boy's avatar

Wolf, you’re coming apart.

You started with scripture and ended with threats. That isn’t conviction, that’s collapse.

And this witchcraft fixation of yours? It’s giving more 1692 than 2025. No, I don’t practice it. You just want an easy villain so you don’t have to face the real issue staring back at you.

You keep chanting “evidence,” but what you call proof is a hall of mirrors—YouTube prophets, recycled hoaxes, and fear dressed up as theology. That isn’t discernment. It’s dependency on delusion.

So I’ll turn your own question around. What are you protecting, Wolf? Who are you running interference for?

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The Wise Wolf's avatar

At this point, I am done engaging with some generic ChatGPT nutcase who refuses to answer if he practices witchcraft and instead deflects the question every time.

A wise man once said, 'There is no point in arguing with stupid people because they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.'

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Janee Jarrell's avatar

These nephilim can be translated as giants or "fallen ones."

Simcha Jacobovici aka "The Naked Archeologist" suggests that the nephilim are a memory of something very different and very real. Northern Israel was a place were both ancient homosapiens and ancient Neanderthals met up and lived together. There's a cave, I would need to look it up, where there's clear archeological evidence of this.

We know that we, homosapiens, have Neanderthal DNA. Maybe this is better than angels.

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Virgin Monk Boy's avatar

Our piece looks at how that ancient memory keeps getting twisted into something darker, like the claim that the Nephilim bloodline still exists and secretly runs the world. What started as anthropology turns into theology by way of conspiracy.

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Kaja Sommer's avatar

👹Halloween monsters!…be afraid…be very afraid…👻 Yes, Fear usually stomps on Empathy because it’s so focused on its own immediate survival, also making it such a useful idiot for Greed & Power. 🎃

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Kaja Sommer's avatar

Clarification: Fear makes ITSELF such a useful idiot for Greed & Power.

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Celia Abbott's avatar

I heard of this in the 90s. Had to read some to remember what it was. It does seem to be popping up everywhere.

Truth and responsibility are in short supply right now. It is so easy to try for excuses or to blame others. But in the end that just delays solving the issue.

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David G's avatar

Lol I remember a flat earther arguing that he could be right because other people were talking about it.

Seek the Truth. It's out there if you really want to know.

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Dawn Klinge's avatar

Oh, wow. I hadn't heard about this! It sounds like a great premise for a scary story, as long as people keep it straight that it's just a story. Yes, we're always looking for others to blame. It's sad.

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sharon Maxey's avatar

God is a God of love; not fear. I wholeheartedly agree that this text (like soooo many other Biblical passages) is an ALLEGORY for CHOICES.

God did not create us with free will, only to turn around and control us by fear.

There is only God. And He is perfectly ONLY a God of love; not fear.

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Jake Carney's avatar

Two kinds of religions in the world. First is Exclusive religions. Where god is other. Outside of earth. Yes some are with God or chosen and others outside god, unchosen.

Second is Inclusive. Like Buddhism, experientially based acceptance or inclusive of experience. Where all is god not just this or that.

We don’t know much. But what can be surmised is we are very low on the totem pole of life though, we are designed for something, likely something a great deal more complex than the above two options.

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Virgin Monk Boy's avatar

That’s a clean frame, Jake. Most people spend lifetimes bouncing between those two poles, either begging the sky or dissolving into it. Maybe the real design isn’t exclusive or inclusive but recursive. God dreaming itself through whatever still remembers to look back.

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Jake Carney's avatar

Right, no frame, no suggestions. No maybe this or that. No thought.

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Steve Boatright's avatar

Look, look over there, evil beings destroying our world; alas, it's a mirror

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Jeremy Prince's avatar

This is a great exposition, very well written.

“Evil does not require supernatural DNA. It thrives on ordinary ambition, greed, and fear. We do not need fallen angels to explain Wall Street, data mining, or political manipulation. Humanity has managed those sins perfectly well on its own.

Blaming ancient hybrids is easier than confronting our own systems of power. It shifts responsibility from human corruption to cosmic corruption and turns repentance into gossip.

… The real mark of the beast is not a microchip or a gene edit. It is the belief that empathy is optional.”

I couldn’t agree more. The only thing I might suggest is that empathy be reframed as more than “optional” but treated, like all other resources, as “scarce in supply, needing to be denied to some in order to be available for some future ‘truly deserving’.”

Ideology of scarcity is at the very center of the systems of power that govern this world, against which many ancients (including and especially those in Yahwism) dedicated their entire cultural apparatus to resist.

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