Charlie Kirk wasn’t flipping overnight, but the cracks were there: Epstein files, Gaza’s church bombings, doubts about conservatism’s failures. For a movement addicted to purity, even a wobble can look like betrayal.
I hadn’t heard of Kirk before he was killed, but following the info you laid out, your unsaid guess on this is legitimate.
Following through with this underworld regime that is in place, if Kirk’s killer really was this young guy, who’s in custody, it is sad. However, there’s a wealth of evidence that says Robinson didn’t do it and was serving only as a patsy. The same evidence showed up when there was that fake assassination attempt on Trump. It’s possible that covert “insiders” were responsible for both incidents. And, if so, how were the patsies recruited, knowing they probably would die? All of these dark events connected to Trump play out like mob dramas, and it’s downright scary.
Scary and sad on so many levels. I have never heard of Kirk either. Hard to figure how Robinson got tied into this whole mess if he didn’t do it. Butler PA incident did not ever add up either.
And I go back to the professional hit that killed him. That intricate shot required the skills of a seasoned, expert sniper. Not a 22-year-old Utah kid. Professional snipers are expensive. As always, follow the money.
Thank you so much, VMB, for your very different take on this Charlie Kirk business. I’d never heard of him before his tragic death. Nearly all of my extended family are Trump voters, and were devastated when Kirk was killed. I found it to be dangerous to engage in any discussion with them. I watched a Kirk debate in Cambridge. First noticed how very fast he talked. Almost faster than I could listen. Brought to mind the “Baffle them with bullshit” saying; probably because I prefer just calm regular talking. Students seemed to be eager to debate him though. Thanks again my friend.
I tend not to venture into conspiracy territory. There have been a couple of exceptions, and they still rankle me. But lately, my GenZ son has been talking about how the very wealthy are really the ones with power - we know this. However, someone in the contents said "follow the money." Is this young man a fall guy? Does he know this? I read the other day he isn't talking - this is smart. Could it just be this simple? Was this young man really that violent? Could he fire a gun from 200 yds and make the shot? Was he that good with a gun? I hear people asking these questions and I hope the answers come out of the investigation soon. And if Kirk was making a turn against the administration for a couple of thing, he wasn't the only one. Trump broke a promise and quite a few of them are spitting bullets over it. It will be interesting to watch it unfold.
I find it extraordinary that the word "Mormon" has never come up again. The Mormon church has almost as much control as the Catholics do. They are wealthy beyond measure and they grow/process an enormous amount of food. If you see a little beehive on your food packaging - the Mormons had something to do with it. Beef, especially. I have a theory about this. I know how much control they have over their devout, I was dragged to a temple to do baptisms for the dead. They are somewhere on the periphery of this, my soul knows it. And that's all Im saying publicly. I don't want the cream knocked out of my horn, ya feel me?
Did you see American Primeval on Netflix? A dramatized series set around the 1857 Utah War / frontier conflicts, includes the Mountain Meadows Massacre.
Funny you should mention that. My husband went to New Mexico and did tree removal and heavy equipment ops for that show. The scenes at the cabin were all torn out and built by the crew he worked on. We waited a long time for it to come out - and I quit watching after the first rapey scene. I was in the basement, sewing and goofing off while he finished it. I know the stories about the massacre(s) I couldn't watch the violence. I assure you you never hear about it in Mormon Seminary class. I read the books about the massacre(s) long after I left the church. It's one of the unforgivable things organized religion does that i will not ever condone, nor even equate to anything ‘Godly.’
This is kind of related, but I’ve been thinking about it. A friend from high school who is Mormon has lived in Utah since college (20 years, we grew up in south Texas). And he rarely posts on Facebook, but he posted 3-4x since the incident about “good things happening in Utah,” and it was basically kid activities his church is doing. It sounded like the church asked folks to post about how great Utah is, which is a really strange response.
Not strange to me at all. They are masters of manipulation and control, especially among the very devout ‘Priesthood’ which is magic that only works if you have a penis.
Charlie Kirk was moving into adulthood himself and changing. Also, rightly or wrongly, he was supremely confident. He would have been a huge threat to Trump’s policies on Gaza and have been able to call for the release of the Epstein files. They may lionizing him but certain MAGA politicians and evangelists are likely relieved he is now not a threat.
Motivations can be a mixed bag: conscious and unconscious and conflicting with each other.
Actions can be impulsive, and often are in case of young people or immature older adults. The plan to kill someone, anyone, may start as a homicidal wish and as a rage and wish to revenge some personally expererienced hurtful trauma.
And we, the audience of the filmed event of the murder, should not see opinions as facts but wait for a thorough forensic psychiatric evaluation of the perpetrator.
Hopefully that evaluator is courageous enough to look at the whole context of what made the shooter pull the trigger.
And maybe the bullet was meant for the older generation and parents who have embodied the gun culture and political cult themselves and tried to instill in him as well? ( just questioning here ).
How could the cry for MORE INFO of Jeff and pedophilia help dump or Rcons? Ghislane has her easy cage now. Thiel and crime family cashed in. UAE gets its way. A ballroom!!!
Explain how the party in power can cut medicare, violate international law to murder on the hi seas and fake peace talks. His fraud is obvious. I call that Call for transparency...
IMHO he said many, many more reprehensible, bigoted and hateful things than he ever said anything that I could agree with, like those you mentioned, above.
Sharon, here’s the rub. In a lot of Protestant circles, the moment you start actually following Jesus — praying with intention, living the beatitudes as a path — you get accused of trying to “earn” God’s forgiveness. They turn effort into heresy. Which is convenient, because it lets them call “belief” the whole game.
Exactly, Sharon. But the “fire insurance” crowd has been running the show for a long time. They turned “belief” into a hall pass that lets you skip the hard work of mercy, peacemaking, poverty of spirit.
I just know he was pro Isreal and then he wasn't and then he got the jelly knocked off his biscuit. Seems to be a solid pattern with these guys, no?
“The jelly knocked off his biscuit” lol That’s one I’d never heard before!
Kirk spoke against Israel and the Jews lately and embraced antisemitism.
I hadn’t heard of Kirk before he was killed, but following the info you laid out, your unsaid guess on this is legitimate.
Following through with this underworld regime that is in place, if Kirk’s killer really was this young guy, who’s in custody, it is sad. However, there’s a wealth of evidence that says Robinson didn’t do it and was serving only as a patsy. The same evidence showed up when there was that fake assassination attempt on Trump. It’s possible that covert “insiders” were responsible for both incidents. And, if so, how were the patsies recruited, knowing they probably would die? All of these dark events connected to Trump play out like mob dramas, and it’s downright scary.
Scary and sad on so many levels. I have never heard of Kirk either. Hard to figure how Robinson got tied into this whole mess if he didn’t do it. Butler PA incident did not ever add up either.
And I go back to the professional hit that killed him. That intricate shot required the skills of a seasoned, expert sniper. Not a 22-year-old Utah kid. Professional snipers are expensive. As always, follow the money.
Agreed
And demanding the Epstein files: kiss of death🤔figuratively speaking of course.
He publicly and loudly advocated for releasing the Epstein files. What else was he saying in private?????
Thank you so much, VMB, for your very different take on this Charlie Kirk business. I’d never heard of him before his tragic death. Nearly all of my extended family are Trump voters, and were devastated when Kirk was killed. I found it to be dangerous to engage in any discussion with them. I watched a Kirk debate in Cambridge. First noticed how very fast he talked. Almost faster than I could listen. Brought to mind the “Baffle them with bullshit” saying; probably because I prefer just calm regular talking. Students seemed to be eager to debate him though. Thanks again my friend.
I tend not to venture into conspiracy territory. There have been a couple of exceptions, and they still rankle me. But lately, my GenZ son has been talking about how the very wealthy are really the ones with power - we know this. However, someone in the contents said "follow the money." Is this young man a fall guy? Does he know this? I read the other day he isn't talking - this is smart. Could it just be this simple? Was this young man really that violent? Could he fire a gun from 200 yds and make the shot? Was he that good with a gun? I hear people asking these questions and I hope the answers come out of the investigation soon. And if Kirk was making a turn against the administration for a couple of thing, he wasn't the only one. Trump broke a promise and quite a few of them are spitting bullets over it. It will be interesting to watch it unfold.
Enter Mossad.
Could this have been a politically staged event? Either to silence him or to try and create a Reichstag fire moment
I find it extraordinary that the word "Mormon" has never come up again. The Mormon church has almost as much control as the Catholics do. They are wealthy beyond measure and they grow/process an enormous amount of food. If you see a little beehive on your food packaging - the Mormons had something to do with it. Beef, especially. I have a theory about this. I know how much control they have over their devout, I was dragged to a temple to do baptisms for the dead. They are somewhere on the periphery of this, my soul knows it. And that's all Im saying publicly. I don't want the cream knocked out of my horn, ya feel me?
Did you see American Primeval on Netflix? A dramatized series set around the 1857 Utah War / frontier conflicts, includes the Mountain Meadows Massacre.
Funny you should mention that. My husband went to New Mexico and did tree removal and heavy equipment ops for that show. The scenes at the cabin were all torn out and built by the crew he worked on. We waited a long time for it to come out - and I quit watching after the first rapey scene. I was in the basement, sewing and goofing off while he finished it. I know the stories about the massacre(s) I couldn't watch the violence. I assure you you never hear about it in Mormon Seminary class. I read the books about the massacre(s) long after I left the church. It's one of the unforgivable things organized religion does that i will not ever condone, nor even equate to anything ‘Godly.’
This is kind of related, but I’ve been thinking about it. A friend from high school who is Mormon has lived in Utah since college (20 years, we grew up in south Texas). And he rarely posts on Facebook, but he posted 3-4x since the incident about “good things happening in Utah,” and it was basically kid activities his church is doing. It sounded like the church asked folks to post about how great Utah is, which is a really strange response.
Not strange to me at all. They are masters of manipulation and control, especially among the very devout ‘Priesthood’ which is magic that only works if you have a penis.
So Charlie was killed by someone inside the WH who didn’t want the files released??
Charlie Kirk was moving into adulthood himself and changing. Also, rightly or wrongly, he was supremely confident. He would have been a huge threat to Trump’s policies on Gaza and have been able to call for the release of the Epstein files. They may lionizing him but certain MAGA politicians and evangelists are likely relieved he is now not a threat.
So if Kirk was starting to speak out regarding Epstein Files and the bombing of a
church in Gaza, why would a kid who was tired of Kirk’s hateful rhetoric want to go after Kirk? Don’t get it.
I don't think a kid made that 200 yard shot
Motivations can be a mixed bag: conscious and unconscious and conflicting with each other.
Actions can be impulsive, and often are in case of young people or immature older adults. The plan to kill someone, anyone, may start as a homicidal wish and as a rage and wish to revenge some personally expererienced hurtful trauma.
And we, the audience of the filmed event of the murder, should not see opinions as facts but wait for a thorough forensic psychiatric evaluation of the perpetrator.
Hopefully that evaluator is courageous enough to look at the whole context of what made the shooter pull the trigger.
And maybe the bullet was meant for the older generation and parents who have embodied the gun culture and political cult themselves and tried to instill in him as well? ( just questioning here ).
How could the cry for MORE INFO of Jeff and pedophilia help dump or Rcons? Ghislane has her easy cage now. Thiel and crime family cashed in. UAE gets its way. A ballroom!!!
Explain how the party in power can cut medicare, violate international law to murder on the hi seas and fake peace talks. His fraud is obvious. I call that Call for transparency...
about many many Lies.
And the money likes the Disney world.
IMHO he said many, many more reprehensible, bigoted and hateful things than he ever said anything that I could agree with, like those you mentioned, above.
He never would have cracked.
And he was no real follower of Christ.
Sharon, here’s the rub. In a lot of Protestant circles, the moment you start actually following Jesus — praying with intention, living the beatitudes as a path — you get accused of trying to “earn” God’s forgiveness. They turn effort into heresy. Which is convenient, because it lets them call “belief” the whole game.
But “belief” has never really meant that you don’t actually put some effort into following the path.
Unless you’re a “fire insurance Christian”.
Dontcha think?
Exactly, Sharon. But the “fire insurance” crowd has been running the show for a long time. They turned “belief” into a hall pass that lets you skip the hard work of mercy, peacemaking, poverty of spirit.
“Not perfect, just forgiven” 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
Those bumper stickers are best sellers here in the Bible belt, LMAO
Yeah. They were a really big deal on the West Coast back in the 60s and 70s, during the Jesus movement but haven’t seen them here in QUITE a while. 😂🤣
Well written!